Saturday, February 5, 2011

Most vegans are douche-bags!

Gelderloos' piece http://theanarchistlibrary.org/HTML/Peter_Gelderloos__Veganism_is_a_consumer_activity.html

on veganism as a consumer choice is bang-on. However, a number of his arguments deserve a response if only for the purposes of correct thought on the matter. I worry that anarchists might read his text as an excuse for eating meat--as though hierarchy as such ought to be tolerated in anarchist circles. Before we get to the heart of the matter, it would seem that there are two qualifications that require clarification. On the one hand, Gelderloos claims that he does not purchase meat in any way--that such would be a matter of taking part in capitalist consumerist culture--and on the other, that he would not take the life of an animal close to his ken, only those with whom he would not be able to form a relationship.

First, I want to thank Peter for the following points.

1. Veganism, as a culture, is definitely not holy in any sense given that Capitalism is essentially unholy. It is impossible to make capitalist consumer choices without killing animals. So vegans can get off their high horses. "You can't be a capitalist environmentalist."

2. Moreover, pace PeTA, you can be a meat-eating environmentalist. Industrial Capitalism is rather late in the history of human history and within that history one must include indigenous persons, and so, a way of co-habitating with life that is at once environmental and meat eating.

I agree with Peter on these obvious two points, but it is important to note that by arguing (2), all Peter has done is justify meat consumption today for lots of social "justice" activists. (Of course, it is absolutely essential that these activists qualify their meaning of justice advocacy because they are not interested in justice, just social justice.) Moreover, it is important to note concerning (2) that PeTA is targeting a particular sort of person; the person that eats meat from factory farms, and not the person that eats meat from dumpsters, or steals it from the supermarket.--So not Peter Gelderloos. This appears to be a general problem with interpreting PeTA ads--of course, such is the nature of making a controversial ad. Also, it should be noted that fetishizing indigenous culture in such a way has done nothing more than justify patriarchy. Man over Nature! Hoo-rrah!

But this kind of argument (2) raises an interesting problem in the movement. It is impossible to criticize indigenous behavior because indigenous persons have been displaced time and time again. Similarly it is impossible to criticize Black males for being sexist--you are then being racist. (So I cannot criticize Gelderloos for saying that Black people do not need meat or animal products. Of course, some evidence for this claim would be alot more helpful than some empty appeal to intuition). The problem is that the nature of the target of criticism permits easy withdrawal into a totally ridiculous identity politics, from which one can generate all sorts of absurd ad hominem arguments.

Second, it appears to me that Peter's argument is insufficient to make his conclusion stick. Lot's of vegans are conscientious consumers insofar as they purchase anything. When we are not eating out of dumpsters, we head out to local markets and eat in season. Some of us refuse GMO's and some of us even try to get involved in human-issue (social justice) based activism, although this often frustrates because of all the evident hierarchy present in these purported anarchists. Part of the problem here is that Gelderloos conflates lifestyle veganism with consumer veganism. But I think Gelderloos undermines his whole point when he says you cannot escape capitalism (1); it seems that no one can be an environmentalist. But surely there is a difference between being a hierarchical douche-bag anarchist and a lifestyle vegan.

Gelderloos' ethics....

Gelderloos admits that he cannot eat an animal that is part of his community but that he would have no problem with eating one that is not. The trouble here is that he is speaking from a position of ethics and yet he is not realizing the totalizing nature of ethics. What Gelderloos has to ask himself is whether the interests of an animal, and he admits that they have desires, are less important than his taste-interests; if the answer is yes! he has to answer why this is the case given the fact that eating animals and animal products is totally unnecessary in our consumerist culture. If he can steal meat, he can steal B-12 pills.

2 comments:

  1. Is it not more ethical to kill-and-eat the animals that are close to you? That way you can't put the 'dirty work' off on others, you have to confront the death, and you have to have cared for the animal before killing it. It's easy to kill when it's not close to you (or at least tolerate killing), but when it's close it's something you have to face. And so it would hopefully decrease the amount of killing. I don't understand why it would be better to only kill those you don't relate to.

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  2. I don't think it would be more ethical to eat your friends. Just because something is difficult to do, doesn't mean its ethical.

    To clear up my confused point: speaking from an ethical position is to have totalizing consequences (major premise). My second point, is to simply say that Gelderloos appears to have an ethical position when he says it is wrong to eat your friends, but not a real ethical position because it doesn't expand the circle very far at all. You, on the other hand, seem to want to say--and correct me if I'm wrong--that eating remote animals is bad because one fails to take responsibility for one's remote actions; thus, since there are less consequences to the environment for eating whatever you like so long as it is local and "cruelty-free" it is morally permissible. Again, the universalist ethic suggests that the interests of the animal being eaten outweigh your unnecessary interests to eat happy meat and rape happy cows for happy milk, just as a rapists needs are outweighed by the interests of the receiving end. So I would say that since the interests of the animal are being disregarded and discriminated against, neither position, while both better than flagrant consumption of animal carcass, is ethical.

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